Thursday, November 8, 2007

Jesus to return on May 21, 2011

...according to the book Time Has an End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 B.C. - 2011 A.D. by Harold Camping.

Ironically, the book is the sequel to Camping's earlier work, which stated that Jesus would return in 1994.

And no, I didn't search for the weirdest photo of Camping that I could find. This photo appears on the back cover of his book.

Hat tip: Freespace

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Anonymous said...

2011?

What is different than 1994? Mr. Camping says that he had a question mark behind the date, but in talking to those that were involved in 1994, there was no question in their mind what he was predicting. Why would God give him a date in 1994 if it was wrong? Where in the Bible is there any example of God using someone to give misleading information to the world? If it wasn't from God in 1994, why would you think that it is from God now? What message from Harold Camping is so enticing that you want it to be true? Do you want Jesus to come so that all your troubles are over? I find it a sad message to the world if we pray for God's kingdom to come to earth and then all we talk about is leaving the earth. If we are to live in God's kingdom and serve Him as our lord, then we must be committed to the way that God has called us to live. Remember that Jesus said by loving God with all your heart, soul & mind and your neighbor you have fulfilled the law of God. Start living that and watch the change that will happen in your life. Look at the world and the people as creations of God. I love you because God loves everything that He created. We might screw things up incredibly, but all God asks of us is to be willing to learn and He will teach us. Turn off all the mixed messages that come from man and learn from God. You are in for an amazing experience.

2011? said...

Anonymous -- thank you, you raise some valuable insights. The issue with 1994? is that at the time it was Harold's explanation of the Biblical timeline of history. There was a lot of second quessing (and not just on Harold's part) about the significance of the milestones on the timeline -- and how things fit together. So in a sense, nothing has really changed since then at all.


The reason why I care so much about this? Well, when God announced the completion of all things to Isaiah, the first thing out of the prophet's mouth after saying that he wanted to serve the Lord was "how long"?

Also, the disciples seemed to be intensely interested in this.

The interest just seems to come naturally to me.

But I don't mean this as a defense against some of your very good admonishments, just an explanation.

I have been thinking about a couple of other things as well: God insisted that we should not make graven images of anything, whether on earth or in heaven; yet, he commanded the creation of an image of the Cherubim to be placed in the Holiest place above the Ark. Also, the Lord insisted that he is One. And Jesus told the disciples not to let their hearts be troubled (as they must have been as he demonstrated that God is three-in-one). Also, the Lord insisted that the church remain focused on evangelism and not on the end of the age. The Biblical view of histgory set forth in the Bible seems (according to this whole 1994? thing) to insist that we should receive some sort of insight or something...not exactly sure here.

Anonymous said...

I think that you have to start at the point of what Jesus was teaching the people. Read the sermon on the mount. It is all about how we treat those around us. Remember God sends His rain on the just and the unjust. We are called to be like God. To love our enemies, to pray for those that persecute us. If God is kind to the just and the unjust, shouldn't we be if we are in the kingdom of God? When Jesus came to earth, he showed us eternal life. That was new, that is why he had to show himself to the disciples after the crucifixion. Remember that Paul said if there is no resurrection we are foolish in our preaching of God's ways. Jesus did redeem us back to God. Read in Isaiah 54 and Ezekiel 16 where God announced that He would be angry no more. If you believe that Jesus redeemed us back to God, then you also must believe that the promise that He would be angry no more is fulfilled. Preaching that God is angry at us all the time is destructive. God wants to teach us and we will never learn if we view God as a tyrant. How did Jesus teach? He was gentle and loving. He represented God in the flesh. If someone is representing God in a way other than how Jesus was, it is not the truth. Jesus was truth and in him was no falsehood. Those are the things that you need to ponder as you listen to how Harold Camping is representing God. And that is why all his predictions will never come to pass, because they are not from God.

2011? said...

Anonymous - thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments, there is wisdom in what you have said. May the Lord bless you.

vvmorr said...

2011 and more....

I was angry at Camping when I first read The End of Church Age, then I got some understanding on Former Rain and Latter Rain (a topic I had never heard about in church), and because the significance of Former/Latter Rain is so closely tied to "seasons" and "times", I read more carefully the rest of the book.

This is the point. Camping DOES discuss topics that I have NEVER heard a church or other bible teacher discuss. I have NEVER heard a church or other bible teacher talk about the Great Apostasy -- yet, the scriptures that (and their aren't a ton), clearly talk about 1-A time right before Christ returns, when.... 2-God's people will fall away, turn from the truth. Add to that, Matthew 7:21-24, where Christ tells those who CLEARLY are church folks - "away with you, I never knew you", and I have to say, this:

1- Camping is the only one talking about the fact that churches will go apostate. From my undersstanding, this apostasy will be total and blanket the churches. I don't see it being a case of "some churches still appear true to the bible". My understanding is that it's not about being "true to the bible", its about AT THAT TIME. It is an "EVENT", in which God takes Himself out and Satan rules, and therefore, it won't be an obvious thing, and it won't be a random act, it will be a complete act to encompass all churches in preparation of this BIG EVENT.

In addition, no church has acknowledge or even mentions that "there comes a time when this will occur", but 2 Thess. 2:1-12, talks about it, and says, those inside will believe the lie that God is still there, and it says, God sends them a delusion.

I would welcome to hear one minister outside of the FR camp, that says -- "Hey, it's not now, and it's not 2011, but yes, 2 thess. 2 is talking about a great event of apostasy among God's people.

Matthew 7:21-24 references the most revered and active church member. These passages aren't talking about the casual church goer. They are talking about the deeply active commited church goer.

Camping, I too don't know if he is right. I pray and study and ask God for guidance all the time, because I am confused. Confused by passages that say "no one knows the day and hour" yet Camping explains it differently. I am confused by how the numbers (23 means wrath?), yet, I see that number mentioned in the bible and related to God's wrath -- but does that mean always? I don't know!

In closing, I will say, I am re-reading "time has an end", and the first time, I thought it was a lot of gobbledegoop. But this time around, I am getting a lot of good stuff.

I slowly began writing out the time references camping makes when he compares the number of years between Noah's flood, and the number of years between 5/21/2011 and the repetitions, and comparisons, and symbolism is so synergistic, that I worry even more that this might be the real deal.

The material is like one of those 1000 piece puzzels - confusing, but when you get a corner all pieced together and see the picture coming to shape, you are amazed and surpised that you were able to source out something special about these same shaped, same colored items. Yet, you did.

I hope I am not being duped.
I pray and ask God to help me not to be influenced by a false doctrine, but I have to study the materials, otherwise, I am saying, what I have learned means nothing. Sorry, but 2 Thess 2 means someing. Matthew 7:21-24 says something. The church isn't talkling about it, but Camping is.

2011? said...

vvmorr - yes, and I think that this is a worthwhile stuggle.

Anonymous said...

Again I will repeat what I said before. Look at what the message was that Jesus was teaching. If I preach anything other than that, I am not preaching the message from God. I am not going to say that churches are perfect, they aren't. But just by sitting in a bench with someone else doesn't make you clean or unclean. It is what is in your heart that God looks at. If you sit in the fellowship that Harold Camping has and find yourself filled with hate for the world, your heart is in the wrong place. Listen to what Harold Camping says about other people. He judges people all the time - he tells you that everyone is being ruled by Satan except of course anyone who listens to him. That should be a red flag for anyone. If a man claims to be the only one with truth, run the other way.

Anonymous said...

You mention Matthew 7 which is the end of the portion that cannot be separated from the rest. Start at Matthew 5 and read the whole section. You cannot take a few verses out of the whole and make a new doctrine from them. Who was Jesus talking to? The Jewish people who considered themselves the people of God. They were following all the rules that their leaders were enforcing and yet, their hearts were far from the kingdom of God. You can follow all the rules that Harold Camping is enforcing too - leave your church, preach a date that he has declared, read your Bible day and night, listen to Family Radio - and yet your heart can be far from the kingdom of God. Read what Jesus said about the kingdom of God. It has nothing to do with assigning value to numbers or pointing fingers at who is more righteous. Read Matthew 7 starting at verse 1 and then listen to Harold Camping judge other people. It is not our job to judge others, it never will be. Start with yourself and see how your heart compares to what Jesus taught starting at Matthew 5.

vvmorr said...

anonymous, you are no different than Camping. You totally refuse to address that the teaching of "satan in the churches" is not a judgement on the character of those in the churches, or, a criticism of the church institution overall. Rather, satan in the church is one of MANY activities isolated to one-specific-time in history. The time right before Christs return. Hear this: this time will be DIFFERENT from other times for the profound act that it represents -- Christ's return. NOTHING, is just going on willy-nilly like it did before. LOTS of other changes are occuring simultaneous with this one, but Christ coming back is A BIG DEAL!!!!!! There are many moving parts that culminate into THAT DAY.

When Christ began His 3 year teaching ministry, that too was a big change for the world. Before then, the gospel was segregated to the Jews. And when Christ came, he judged the Ministers of that day harshly for their manner. He knew, as the world did not, that He would be bringing the whole doctrine to an end. He knew he would be bringing the jewish faith to as it was practiced to an end. And just like the jews of that day could not accept that fact, and as such, still practice their understanding of the God's way today, our current day's BIG EVENT, the return of Christ, will have a similar impact on Christian faith. God will judge it, and God will bring it to an end, just like He has always planned from the very begining.

Note - the plan was always to bring this world to an end. So an end IS coming. So why do you think it can't be now?

Also, its ok if you have not read Camping's books, but to bash them with out knowing its contents is not only unfair, but also kind of ______ to express an opinion on a topic you have not examined.

However, you do not have to read Camping's book to address 2 Thess. 2:1-12. All you have to do is answer the questions:

1- What period of time do these scriptures refer to?

2-bullet point what these scriptures say take place during this time.

3-specifically for verse 7. identify, WHO lets who to take its seat, but only until WHO is taken out of the way?

Especially for #3 answer the
"WHO" question. Verse 7 talks about two beings. Who are the two beings in verse #7?

NOTE - These are not camping questons, these are mine, to see if you will fairly answer these questions or if you just want to take an opposing view. Which is ok, but come out.

In summary, I have stated before, and will do so again for sake of clarity, that I do not know if the 2011 teaching is on point. I do however believe the bible teaches there will be a Great Apostasy of God's people, and that the great apostasy is a precursor to Christ's return.

If, as a Christian, you do not even know of such an event that the Father talks about and warns about, then how can you speak to it? Is it not like saying you like the architecture of Spain but you have never been there? Yes, you can see pictures and look at a travelogue on TV, but have a surface opinion is not the same as having a studied opinion.


only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. It's one of many events many

Anonymous said...

Have you ever read "The War of the Jews" by Josephus?

vvmorr said...

Oh, so you are not going to address my 2 Thess. 2 questions. Ok. Thanks for coming out from behind the screen.

Merry Christmas!

Anonymous said...

You really have bought into way too many doctrines created by man. You can spend your life running in circles trying to live according to man's doctrines or you can chose to live as God has called us to live. There will always be some new thought and special revelation claimed by someone. As hard as it is, you need to be unleavened. All the doctrines created by man have leavened your thoughts so that you can't even see the truth. It is not an easy thing to live as Jesus taught. God will keep His promise and will teach you about His ways at some point in your life. I just wish that everyone would be willing to listen. When you pray "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" did you ever think about what you are saying? How do you think that you will act in heaven? Act that way on earth. Then we will see the kingdom of God. I don't picture myself assigning word meanings to numbers. I hope that we will all finally know what it means to love as we are loved.

Anonymous said...

I will never claim to be able to interpret the thoughts of someone. I don't know who they were talking to and what came before or after. I don't know what was happening that was a cause for concern. These were letters that were written to people that I do not have any idea what their situation was. My focus will always be on what God is teaching me about Himself. I don't claim any great insight or knowledge. I can't answer what every verse in the Bible means and I will never try to. If I only touch one person with love, than that is all I am called to do. My light may only be a flicker, but it will burn until my life on this earth is finished.

2011 said...

I have created another site at GospelChallenge.wordpress.com so that we can continue this dialog - this site has too many comments for me - I am getting tired of navigating to a second page just to keep up.

TrustHim! said...

I have spent the better part of my evening reading this blog as I was quite interested in the 2011 prophecy. What I gleaned from reading was; What I knew from previous scripture reading and teaching still held true in my heart and mind. I will continue to pray, continue to believe and continue to repent. I am a sinner and an imperfect being but I have faith. Faith is what Christianity is based on. Without it, we have nothing. Lastly, His GRACE is big enough to carry any sin for any repentant man, woman or child. I'll leave the dates to those who need them. Please keep your dates, I need Jesus and God.

For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
--Romans 10:10, NLT

But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.
--1 John 1:9, NLT

Anonymous said...

Whats the difference?

Live as Christian and spread Gods word. Your debates are pointless as the answer is simple...

Jim said...

"The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy". "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only". "But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be".

Anonymous said...

For anyone who truely wants to understand how this date was come to, I recommend the site "the-latter-rain.com". On the page is a book entitled "The Book Has Been Opened". The whole book is excellent but the chapter that deals most directly with how this date was set is chapter 21 i think. The chapter is called "Time Clues". Of course it assumes that you have already did your homework on the timeline of history and fully understand it. If not then read the book called "Time Has An End" from the familyradio website.

Do your homework people and stop assuming that what you always believed has always been true. That goes for "no man knows the day or hour". Stop assuming that it's referring to every soul on the planet and that Christ himself (who is God in the flesh) doesn't know either.

Mikey

GGBIW said...

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May God Bless all that earnestly seek Salvation. ggbiw

Anonymous said...

Time has a way of revealing truth. See you in 501 days and then let's talk.

GGBIW said...

Why hide behind anonymous? Could it be so you are not revealed to be a false prophet May 21,2011? put your name on what you say as others do and stop hiding so you will not be exposed as a false prophet. ggbiw

Joe Moderate said...

All -- this has been a very interesting discussion to follow indeed. I don't know if it will continue, although you are most certainly welcome to, but I agree with those who have complained that "Anonymous" posters are making this discussion confusing. I am disabling the ability to post under the moniker "Anonymous". Now all posts must have some identification attached to them--it doesn't have to be a google account, it can be an OpenID. Hopefully this will help people when responding to other's comments.

-- Joe

GGBIW said...

The premise of judging someone to be a false prophet before the time is wrong.His previous book had a question mark that all that choose to judge him convienantly ignore.The question I choose to focus on is,IS MAY 21,2011 in the HOLY BIBLE? Your requiring those that post is a welcome change exposing them as being false prophets on May 21,2011.The infrastructure of the world will collapse though on May 21,2011 as the greatest earthquake man has ever seen will open every grave on earth.Revelation ch16v18,John ch5v28-29,Jeremiah ch.25v33.Those false prophets will remember they were warned as they see the choosen of God caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds.Revelation ch10v12. God's elect will understand and the unsaved never will. To God be ALL the Glory. Good bye, ggbiw

Lewis said...

I have been studying Mr. Camping's books and booklets for over 4 years now. I find the evidence to support May 21st, 2011 being Judgment Day or VERY accurate. The more I read the tighter it locks in. It's not second guessing or making things up. It's all in the Bible. True concrete facts. The fact is, God said we would know at the end of time. Since we are in the end times it is logical for this information to become available. It's always been there, but has never truly been understood. May the Lord richly bless you.

johns717 said...

What the Bible says...

Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not WATCH, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

... WATCH here means reading the WORD of GOD and doing what the WORD says.

It is true that Mark 13:32 says...
“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.

Of course JESUS is GOD, therefore HE knows the end from the beginning. Therefore the 'son' mentioned in Mark 13:32 is NOT JESUS!
Remember that the Bible uses the word 'son' to also characterize the son of perdition which is satan.
Here are some scriptures:

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Going back to Mark 13:32, "no man knows"

Since JESUS asked us in Matthew 24 to read the Book of Daniel about the end times, we see in the following verses, that Daniel also wanted to know the time of the end, but the LORD told him that though the time of the end is in the Bible, GOD will not reveal it till the time of the end is near.
In a sense, in the last days, GOD has opened HIS WORD for us to find out when the time of the end will be.
Daniel 12:4
“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

Daniel 12:9
And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

GOD Bless you all!

Tony said...

I have checked out all the info given and May 21 2011 will be the Judgment Day, seven thousand years from the flood, to the very day
Go to ebiblefellowship.com and also Google May21 2011 you will find many proofs from the Bible that it's going to happen.
If you are one of God's chosen you will definitly understand what God is offering as proof.

Twistie said...

I came up with the "Rapture" as may label it, to be 9th of May 2011, being synonymous with the "Wedding feast" Luke 12:36. And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
This is referring to the ones that go through the Great Tribulation that lasts 2,300 "Evenings and Mornings" Daniel 8:26. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.
1,150days of Tribulation from the time that the "Mark of the Beast" is issued till the Resurrection, where the Numberless Multitude was raised from the dead.
In the 3+ 1/2 years Jesus Ministered, He FIRST attended a Wedding in Cana, where He turned Water to Wine. His Last Public act was to resurrect many from the Graves Matt. 27:51. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52. And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
The 2 Events were precedents to the LAST 3+ 1/2 years of earth.

Twistie said...

Now HOW do we come to May the 9th 2011?
Luke 21:24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The times of the Gentiles is FULFILLED on 7th June 1967, when Jerusalem was no longer in Gentile Possession! (7-6'67)
Jesus said in same Chapter - Luke 21:32. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
How long is a GENERATION?
The Jubilee was a Precursor to a life span for use in Israel, and the PRIESTS were to CEASE work at 50years of age. ...Numbers 8:25. And from the age of fifty years they shall cease waiting upon the service [thereof], and shall serve no more:
1967 + 50 = 2017...? [Generation]
Here comes the Time Table for the END TIMES!
Rev.11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.
3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
....What this says is - Measure the TEMPLE DURATION in getting BUILT! [From 1967]
John 2:20. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
...The temple was in its 47th year when it was no longer in the process of being built.
This 47years is the MAXIMUM Time of the LAST DAYS, and is broken down into **40 years [the time the Jews worshiped in the temple] after the CROSS till its prophesied destruction in 70A.D.
PLUS ... 42Months [New] Jerusalem is "Trodden Down" PLUS ... 1,260days that the 2 Witnesses witness to the World [Moses & Elijah] Elijah also had a 3+ 1/2 year "Drought". James 5:17. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
Moses also cased the Plagues to hurt the Egyptians.
Rev.11:6. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
1,335days into the last 7years, the "New Jerusalem" that was "Trodden Down" [Rev.11:2] 42 Months will be the [Wise] Virgins that go to the Wedding. [Blessed]
Dan.12:12. Blessed [is] he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
As the 40years ends after the 1967 date, in 2007, we START the LAST 7 years with the Jewish Calendar, which BEGINS on the EVENING of the 12th of September 2007! The 7 Trumpets are the NEW YEAR days x 7 and the 7 seals are the New Year Eve of the Jewish years, so the LAST SEAL ... Rev.10:7. But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
The 7 years are 42months + 1,260days, so we COUNT BACK from the 5th of September 2014 [End] 1,150 days, and we get the START of Tribulation.

Tom said...

We have published a new article on Family Radio and Mr. Harold Camping on our Website - http://www.writeonnewjersey.com. The direct link to the article is http://www.writeonnewjersey.com/2010/02/countdown-to-judgment-2/. Please "spread the word" to interested parties.

Thank you,


Tom Petruzzelli
Editor

lisa said...

Prophet Camping is a lover of God, per my observation. The Bible calls such people "after God's own heart." Every Christ follower is a prophet, if he or she is wheat and not weed as they look very similar. We modern Christians love this world too much. We got entangled with this technology and careers and hobbies and peer relationsips. It is hard for us to focus on Bible alone. Face it, most of us down deep IGNORE THE BIBLE which is the living Word of God. We like to have people support us. However, in this last year, believe me my friend, God wants our hearts on an individual basis, SOLO and LONER, just like the Lord was alone for 40 days and nights fasting and praying. Let's not get distracted by the Babylonian entertainers as they all will pass oh so quickly!

Beacon of Truth said...

A plain reading of the Bible shows this latest false prophecy of Harold Camping to be nonsense. Of course, you can't reason with the people who are deceived by him. They have made up their minds and have accepted his latest false prediction based upon emotional appeals and not reason.

The worst part about is that many will fall away from the faith who trusted Camping instead of the Bible.

See: www.beaconoftruth.com/bonehead.htm

chris said...

I didn’t read every comment so this may have been said before. The BIGGEST danger is that some people might delay seeking salvation until the predicted day, whatever the prediction de jour is. So when Christ does return on an earlier than predicted day (which I believe will eventually happen) there will be a lot of unnecessarily lost souls due to those who predicted that which our Lord Jesus warns against doing. BE VERY CAREFUL. How would you feel if EVEN ONE SOUL was lost because of your behavior? At final judgment this may be seen as leading people away from salvation which we all know is the greatest sin of all.

Arthur_of_Old said...

Works and knowledge cannot save. Nor is there peace and safety in this they preach.

They are in pride and delusion. Pray they repent.

Johanan said...

We have to thank Harold Camping, because we now sure know that Jesus will not come back May 21,2011

Rummer McFlynn said...

Hmmm-I don't know what to believe, but for some reason I have started seeking info about end of days stuff-not sure why as noone really has the answers (although a lot of people will tell you they do). There just seems to be so much seismic activity lately. Theres definitely something happening - iceland volcano, destructive earthquakes on a seemingly monthly basis! Pity I don't believe in the great faery tale (bible) like you lot. I do beleive in God - just not all these man-made rules, and man's interpretation...

justthe facts said...

Love Brother Camping but he is so wrong on the date. God has placed it multiple times in his word that no man knows the time of the end.. and brother Camping is going to be wrong again...

You can know the times but not the day...:)

stafa31 said...

i;m not trying to debate or convince anyone, that's not my goal at all only GOd can do that, but let's be honest look at the world it's getting very very sinful and out of control it's to a point when the world is like sodom and gomorah and like nineveh and what do u think God is going to do ? where can u find safety in the churches? of course not they are all about money and self glorificaition the churches are about miracles and healing and so fourth. we should all spend more time reading the BIble because that's the only way to find truth .oh yeah what did God do to those places they all came under judgment so just like the world and the churches they have to be under the judgment of God and besides nineveh God destoyed them and they knew that it was going to happen and the people of noah's day did know the time.

brotherp said...

Best to go to the origional language with a controversial passage like Matthew 24:36

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. KJV
Now, let's get a pure translation, albeit it rough english, its an amazing difference -

About yet the day that and the hour not yet one has perceived not yet the messengers of the heavens if no the Father of me only.

Its in the present tense and indicating that someone will know at some point in time.

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fralternative@gmail.com said...

Harold Camping is throwing a curve ball. Fact is, while he adamantly asserts May 21, 2011, his Program Department is planning to produce programs for May 22, May 23...2011 and beyond! Yes it is true - talk to his Program Director.
Further Harold Camping is listed as a board member on numerous construction permit applications which extend well beyond May 21, 2011. He is no intention of living like he really believes this date. It is a complete farce.

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fralternative@gmail.com said...

Harold Camping is throwing a curve ball. Fact is, while he adamantly asserts May 21, 2011, his Program Department is planning to produce programs for May 22, May 23...2011 and beyond! Yes it is true - talk to his Program Director.
Further Harold Camping is listed as a board member on numerous construction permit applications which extend well beyond May 21, 2011. He is no intention of living like he really believes this date. It is a complete farce.

Joe said...

Can we know the time of Christ's Coming?
Did not Christ say that He will come as a thief in the night and that of that day knows no man? Does it not mean that we are not to know the time of Christ’s coming? It indeed seems that way, however, to our surprise, in Daniel 12 we are told that the timing of the end is sealed and it will be understood by God’s people at the time of the end. Let us take look at Daniel 12. Verse 2 speaks of the resurrection of the dead, “some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” We know that the resurrection will occur at Christ’s coming at the end of this world. In verse 6 one asks “how long shall it be to the end of these wonders”, referring to the resurrection mentioned in verse 2. So he is in effect asking: How long shall it be to Christ’s second coming? And indeed, timing is given in verses 7, 11, and 12. But Daniel does not understand. He is told “Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” In verse 10 we are told “none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Here we have God’s promise that at the time of the end God’s people will be able to understand the timing of Christ’s coming.
How do we reconcile the statement of Jesus when He says “of that day and hour knows no man” with the clear promise of Daniel 12 that we will know?
When Jesus said that of that day and hour knows no man, we took it to mean that no man is to know, ever. However, that is not what Jesus said. He only said that no man knows. He did not say that no man will ever know. Such conclusion would contradict Daniel 12, where God tells us that the information of the timing of the end is sealed and it will be understood by His people at the time of the end.

Candace said...

This is facts of what Harold Campling saying and he's not the only one saying this either.The 7 seals are open because God took the seal off. I have a song from CeeCee Winans.I searched the scriptures about this and what God is saying it's really coming to pass.He will come like a thief in the night to those that believes that and then God says and sudden destruction comes upon them.I had to keep reading that many times over and over again and now I see what God means by that.Truth is Satan is in the church because I remember I used to hear people telling me Satan is in the churches. A lady said to me during the 1990's that the seals are open.We are wicked and that is true. We are sinners.We are our worst enemy.We know right from wrong.I never heard some things in the bible before.Yes I'm pleading for mercy.The churches are messed up.Church to me is entertaining.They are getting richer and wealthy in the churches. Look at the buildings.There seats are like you in a movie theater.The Gospel music confuse me some of it does.Gospel music has gone worldly most of the songs. Worship and praise songs are better and classic gospel like family radio.Come on we do love this world and we don't want it to end.God has everything to say of what he's going to do and mankind can't stop God.They can't stop the weather of what God is going to do. Only thing that weather man do is predict the weather.That is true in the bible that May21,2011 is it.God does'nt care about your opinion nor mines is what he say he will do and that is true.

vvmorr said...

We know Christ is going to return. The question is not "IF" Christ is going to return. The question is, are we certain Christ is going to return on 5/21/11????

The question is how certain are we that He is going to return on 5/21/11??

Do you believe 5/21/11 is the date because you did the math, and believe all the analysis and assessments that Camping has concluded.....ie

17 means... judgement
5 means.....heaven
10 means....completeness....
Double these years....subtract here…etc…

If so, does that really mean that you belive Camping's assessments and accept his math as being correct, without possible omission, even though you do not fully understand all the math?

Do you understand fully all of the date receipe Camping is using, or are you simply trusting that he has done it right, and are accepting 5/21/11 as the date because he says he has worked out the materlia and found this 5/21/11 to be the day?

Most Christians know that Christ is scheduled to return at some point. But do you know it is 5/21/11 because you studied this, or because Camping says so?

I agree, churches have definitely changed in the last 20+ years. But I also remember my deceased father crticizing my era's church practices as being irreverent in the 60's! This was well before 1988 when Camping says the church era ended. Every older generation sees its younger gen. to be less reverent. It is a fact that church practices reflect their current era’s standard. This doesn't mean the practices are right, but it ALWAYS is that way. Sevices in 1600's were a lot more conservative than services in the 1900's, etc.

My father got saved on a "wailing bench". I joined the same church in the 60's during vacation bible school. There was no wailing bench. All I had to do was say I wanted to join. NOTE: I know “joining church” is no moniker of true salvation. The example is given as proof of a change in "process" due to where we are in society. So declaring all churches as apostate today because of what we see today is no measuring stick.

I do believe, as the bible teaches, that the churches will go apostate right before Christ's return. I just don't know if that time is now?

I don't think we can simply point to current church behavior and say what is going on proves "the end" is 5/21/11. Churches could get a lot worse still, or, or stay stagnant for another 200 years?

The point I want to make is that if you want to accept 5/21/11 as the end date b/c of apostay, are you doing so because you trust Camping to be right? Or are you doing it because you have checked out all the numbers and dates yourself, and all the calculations point to 5/21/11 as the end date?

Do you believe God has chosen Camping to be the Noah of our day?

Am I suppose to accept 5/21/11 because in my gut, I see the hatred and evil, and sinful behavior going on in the world -- and therefore believe we the end date must be 5/21/11?

Do we need to understand and accept Camping calculations in full to declare 5/21/11 as the end? Are we suppose to just trust that he has it right based on the fact that he is a (good) bible teacher?

Is it ok to declare 5/21/11 as the return of Christ to others because Camping teaches it? -- even though we may not fully understand the numbers ourselves? Is God asking us to trust Camping?

Is respect for the teacher enough to accept the data without fully understanding the details?

I do not say 5/21/11 is NOT the end date, but I do say I do not fully understand all of Camping's analogies. I see them; I have read his books. I understand a lot of points he is making, but I am not sure he is fully on point.

I am just trying to be very careful about saying with certainty 5/21/11is IT -- since I know I still have many unanswered questions.

Are we suppose to “try and test” camping’s math and to be accurate ourselves before we declare 5/21/11 to be the date, or do we just trust that he has got it right?

vvmorr said...

We know Christ is going to return. The question is not "IF" Christ is going to return. The question is, are we certain Christ is going to return on 5/21/11????

Again, it's not about IF CHRIST IS GOING TO RETURN.

The question is how certain are we that He is going to return on 5/21/11??

Do you believe 5/21/11 is the date because you did the math, and believe all the analysis and assessments that Camping has concluded.....ie

17 means... judgement
5 means.....heaven
10 means....completeness....
Double these years....subtract here…etc…

If so, does that really mean that you belive Camping's assessments and accept his math as being correct, without possible omission, even though you do not fully understand all the math?

Do you understand fully all of the date receipe Camping is using, or are you simply trusting that he has done it right, and are accepting 5/21/11 as the date because he says he has worked out the materlia and found this 5/21/11 to be the day?

Most Christians know that Christ is scheduled to return at some point. But do you know it is 5/21/11 because you studied this, or because Camping says so?

I agree, churches have definitely changed in the last 20+ years. But I also remember my deceased father crticizing my era's church practices as being irreverent in the 60's! This was well before 1988 when Camping says the church era ended. Every older generation sees its younger gen. to be less reverent. It is a fact that church practices reflect their current era’s standard. This doesn't mean the practices are right, but it ALWAYS is that way. Sevices in 1600's were a lot more conservative than services in the 1900's, etc.

My father got saved on a "wailing bench". I joined the same church in the 60's during vacation bible school. There was no wailing bench. All I had to do was say I wanted to join. NOTE: I know “joining church” is no moniker of true salvation. The example is given as proof of a change in "process" due to where we are in society. So declaring all churches as apostate today because of what we see today is no measuring stick.

I do believe, as the bible teaches, that the churches will go apostate right before Christ's return. I just don't know if that time is now?

I don't think we can simply point to current church behavior and say what is going on proves "the end" is 5/21/11. Churches could get a lot worse still, or, or stay stagnant for another 200 years?

The point I want to make is that if you want to accept 5/21/11 as the end date b/c of apostay, are you doing so because you trust Camping to be right? Or are you doing it because you have checked out all the numbers and dates yourself, and all the calculations point to 5/21/11 as the end date?

Do you believe God has chosen Camping to be the Noah of our day?

Am I suppose to accept 5/21/11 because in my gut, I see the hatred and evil, and sinful behavior going on in the world -- and therefore believe we the end date must be 5/21/11?

Is it ok to declare 5/21/11 as the return of Christ to others because Camping teaches it? -- even though we may not fully understand the numbers ourselves? Is God asking us to trust Camping?

I do not say 5/21/11 is NOT the end date, but I do say I do not fully understand all of Camping's analogies. I see them; I have read his books. I understand a lot of points he is making, but I am not sure he is fully on point.

I am just trying to be very careful about saying with certainty 5/21/11is IT -- since I know I still have many unanswered questions.

Are we suppose to “try and test” camping’s math and to be accurate ourselves before we declare 5/21/11 to be the date, or do we just trust that he has got it right?

vvmorr said...

We know Christ is going to return. The question is not "IF" Christ is going to return. The question is, are we certain Christ is going to return on 5/21/11????

Again, it's not about IF CHRIST IS GOING TO RETURN.

The question is how certain are we that He is going to return on 5/21/11??

Do you believe 5/21/11 is the date because you did the math, and believe all the analysis and assessments that Camping has concluded.....ie

17 means... judgement
5 means.....heaven
10 means....completeness....
Double these years....subtract here…etc…

If so, does that really mean that you belive Camping's assessments and accept his math as being correct, without possible omission, even though you do not fully understand all the math?

Do you understand fully all of the date receipe Camping is using, or are you simply trusting that he has done it right, and are accepting 5/21/11 as the date because he says he has worked out the materlia and found this 5/21/11 to be the day?

Most Christians know that Christ is scheduled to return at some point. But do you know it is 5/21/11 because you studied this, or because Camping says so?

I agree, churches have definitely changed in the last 20+ years. But I also remember my deceased father crticizing my era's church practices as being irreverent in the 60's! This was well before 1988 when Camping says the church era ended. Every older generation sees its younger gen. to be less reverent. It is a fact that church practices reflect their current era’s standard. This doesn't mean the practices are right, but it ALWAYS is that way. Sevices in 1600's were a lot more conservative than services in the 1900's, etc.

My father got saved on a "wailing bench". I joined the same church in the 60's during vacation bible school. There was no wailing bench. All I had to do was say I wanted to join. NOTE: I know “joining church” is no moniker of true salvation. The example is given as proof of a change in "process" due to where we are in society. So declaring all churches as apostate today because of what we see today is no measuring stick.

I do believe, as the bible teaches, that the churches will go apostate right before Christ's return. I just don't know if that time is now?

I don't think we can simply point to current church behavior and say what is going on proves "the end" is 5/21/11. Churches could get a lot worse still, or, or stay stagnant for another 200 years?

The point I want to make is that if you want to accept 5/21/11 as the end date b/c of apostay, are you doing so because you trust Camping to be right? Or are you doing it because you have checked out all the numbers and dates yourself, and all the calculations point to 5/21/11 as the end date?

Do you believe God has chosen Camping to be the Noah of our day?

Am I suppose to accept 5/21/11 because in my gut, I see the hatred and evil, and sinful behavior going on in the world -- and therefore believe we the end date must be 5/21/11?

Is it ok to declare 5/21/11 as the return of Christ to others because Camping teaches it? -- even though we may not fully understand the numbers ourselves? Is God asking us to trust Camping?

I do not say 5/21/11 is NOT the end date, but I do say I do not fully understand all of Camping's analogies. I see them; I have read his books. I understand a lot of points he is making, but I am not sure he is fully on point.

I am just trying to be very careful about saying with certainty 5/21/11is IT -- since I know I still have many unanswered questions.

Are we suppose to “try and test” camping’s math and to be accurate ourselves before we declare 5/21/11 to be the date, or do we just trust that he has got it right?

vvmorr said...

We know Christ is going to return. The question is not "IF" Christ is going to return. The question is, are we certain Christ is going to return on 5/21/11????

Again, it's not about IF CHRIST IS GOING TO RETURN.

The question is how certain are we that He is going to return on 5/21/11??

Do you believe 5/21/11 is the date because you did the math, and believe all the analysis and assessments that Camping has concluded.....ie

17 means... judgement
5 means.....heaven
10 means....completeness....
Double these years....subtract here…etc…

If so, does that really mean that you belive Camping's assessments and accept his math as being correct, without possible omission, even though you do not fully understand all the math?

Do you understand fully all of the date receipe Camping is using, or are you simply trusting that he has done it right, and are accepting 5/21/11 as the date because he says he has worked out the materlia and found this 5/21/11 to be the day?

Most Christians know that Christ is scheduled to return at some point. But do you know it is 5/21/11 because you studied this, or because Camping says so?

I agree, churches have definitely changed in the last 20+ years. But I also remember my deceased father crticizing my era's church practices as being irreverent in the 60's! This was well before 1988 when Camping says the church era ended. Every older generation sees its younger gen. to be less reverent. It is a fact that church practices reflect their current era’s standard. This doesn't mean the practices are right, but it ALWAYS is that way. Sevices in 1600's were a lot more conservative than services in the 1900's, etc.

My father got saved on a "wailing bench". I joined the same church in the 60's during vacation bible school. There was no wailing bench. All I had to do was say I wanted to join. NOTE: I know “joining church” is no moniker of true salvation. The example is given as proof of a change in "process" due to where we are in society. So declaring all churches as apostate today because of what we see today is no measuring stick.

I do believe, as the bible teaches, that the churches will go apostate right before Christ's return. I just don't know if that time is now?

I don't think we can simply point to current church behavior and say what is going on proves "the end" is 5/21/11. Churches could get a lot worse still, or, or stay stagnant for another 200 years?

The point I want to make is that if you want to accept 5/21/11 as the end date b/c of apostay, are you doing so because you trust Camping to be right? Or are you doing it because you have checked out all the numbers and dates yourself, and all the calculations point to 5/21/11 as the end date?

Do you believe God has chosen Camping to be the Noah of our day?

Am I suppose to accept 5/21/11 because in my gut, I see the hatred and evil, and sinful behavior going on in the world -- and therefore believe we the end date must be 5/21/11?

Is it ok to declare 5/21/11 as the return of Christ to others because Camping teaches it? -- even though we may not fully understand the numbers ourselves? Is God asking us to trust Camping?

I do not say 5/21/11 is NOT the end date, but I do say I do not fully understand all of Camping's analogies. I see them; I have read his books. I understand a lot of points he is making, but I am not sure he is fully on point.

I am just trying to be very careful about saying with certainty 5/21/11is IT -- since I know I still have many unanswered questions.

Are we suppose to “try and test” camping’s math and to be accurate ourselves before we declare 5/21/11 to be the date, or do we just trust that he has got it right?

vvmorr said...

We know Christ is going to return. The question is not "IF" Christ is going to return. The question is, are we certain Christ is going to return on 5/21/11????

Again, it's not about IF CHRIST IS GOING TO RETURN.

The question is how certain are we that He is going to return on 5/21/11??

Do you believe 5/21/11 is the date because you did the math, and believe all the analysis and assessments that Camping has concluded.....ie

17 means... judgement
5 means.....heaven
10 means....completeness....
Double these years....subtract here…etc…

If so, does that really mean that you belive Camping's assessments and accept his math as being correct, without possible omission, even though you do not fully understand all the math?

Do you understand fully all of the date receipe Camping is using, or are you simply trusting that he has done it right, and are accepting 5/21/11 as the date because he says he has worked out the materlia and found this 5/21/11 to be the day?

Most Christians know that Christ is scheduled to return at some point. But do you know it is 5/21/11 because you studied this, or because Camping says so?

I agree, churches have definitely changed in the last 20+ years. But I also remember my deceased father crticizing my era's church practices as being irreverent in the 60's! This was well before 1988 when Camping says the church era ended. Every older generation sees its younger gen. to be less reverent. It is a fact that church practices reflect their current era’s standard. This doesn't mean the practices are right, but it ALWAYS is that way. Sevices in 1600's were a lot more conservative than services in the 1900's, etc.

My father got saved on a "wailing bench". I joined the same church in the 60's during vacation bible school. There was no wailing bench. All I had to do was say I wanted to join. NOTE: I know “joining church” is no moniker of true salvation. The example is given as proof of a change in "process" due to where we are in society. So declaring all churches as apostate today because of what we see today is no measuring stick.

I do believe, as the bible teaches, that the churches will go apostate right before Christ's return. I just don't know if that time is now?

I don't think we can simply point to current church behavior and say what is going on proves "the end" is 5/21/11. Churches could get a lot worse still, or, or stay stagnant for another 200 years?

The point I want to make is that if you want to accept 5/21/11 as the end date b/c of apostay, are you doing so because you trust Camping to be right? Or are you doing it because you have checked out all the numbers and dates yourself, and all the calculations point to 5/21/11 as the end date?

Do you believe God has chosen Camping to be the Noah of our day?

Am I suppose to accept 5/21/11 because in my gut, I see the hatred and evil, and sinful behavior going on in the world -- and therefore believe we the end date must be 5/21/11?

Is it ok to declare 5/21/11 as the return of Christ to others because Camping teaches it? -- even though we may not fully understand the numbers ourselves? Is God asking us to trust Camping?

I do not say 5/21/11 is NOT the end date, but I do say I do not fully understand all of Camping's analogies. I see them; I have read his books. I understand a lot of points he is making, but I am not sure he is fully on point.

I am just trying to be very careful about saying with certainty 5/21/11is IT -- since I know I still have many unanswered questions.

Are we suppose to “try and test” camping’s math and to be accurate ourselves before we declare 5/21/11 to be the date, or do we just trust that he has got it right?

Newbeginning said...

As in the beginning going back to Adam and Eve, Man continues to be like God. No-God would not intrust a crucial piece of time in history to Man. Sinners will run rampid until that said time and as time draws nearer will repent. Man cannot outsmart God by calculating time. Man does not have the actual time of the beginning. Please let God be God and Man stay the mortal that God made us to be. Stop trying to take the Glory from God. To God be the Glory!

sharon said...

though i know nobody knows the real date of rapture except god himself, only wish he would come soon , i mean asap to take his own from this deadly world,where they dont belong

Jim said...

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW Jesus was comming May 21, 2011, it is because you are being left out of his glorius plan and that you are going to burn in everlasting HELL and you are one of the DAMMED! Burn Baby sinner BURN and all you HOMO's burn too...

Hah ha hah (LAst laugh)

Jim said...

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW Jesus was comming May 21, 2011, it is because you are being left out of his glorius plan and that you are going to burn in everlasting HELL and you are one of the DAMMED! Burn Baby sinner BURN and all you HOMO's burn too...

Hah ha hah (LAst laugh)

Jim said...

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW Jesus was comming May 21, 2011, it is because you are being left out of his glorius plan and that you are going to burn in everlasting HELL and you are one of the DAMMED! Burn Baby sinner BURN and all you HOMO's burn too...

Hah ha hah (LAst laugh)

Jenny said...

I do not believe that Jesus will return on May 21, 2011. I do believe that he will return, just not on May 21, 2011.

Newbeginning said...

Why are people so in an up roar over this claim. Man again tries to take the focus off the Goodness of God and put it back on himself, man is not God, man is not as highly intelligent as man would like to believe. man did not creat this world and man cannot know the ending. I hear some listners asking mr. camping about the Bible and where in the Bible does it say that the world will end on this specific day. The answer that he provides is so stupid, he totally avoids answering. The fact is may 21, 2011 is no where in the Bible. God specifically states that man should not add anything to the Bible. When will people learn to stop listing to man and listen to God! If there is one thing that we can all count on that is that we as a people will all die one day. Think about that

brotherp said...

I'm on page 40 or we are almost there. Is this where the 1994? book came in. The 1290 days of Daniel really meaning years? I figure rather than complain about the dude, we ought to at least read the little book first.

Jennifer said...

When I was a senior in college in 1986 I started listening to Family Radio. Just loved it--especially the Open Forum with Harold Camping--and I have to say, it really helped me grow as a Christian. I loved the old fashioned hymns, the scripture readings, the regular shows, etc. I feel over the years, many people have been blessed by this ministry--especially as the world, and very specifically the mainline churches, have been so corrupted over the past couple decades. Tonight was the first I heard that Harold Camping has come up with this date. It is interesting because I also used to watch Jack van Impe; I remember in the year 2000, I watched one of this episodes and was shocked to see him put up the year 2018 as the probable end year. I was shocked because it was the same year I had come up with a couple months earlier. Why? because Israel became a nation in 1948 (when you see the fig tree...), and Jesus said this generation shall not pass until all this has come to be. The old testament states a man's life (after the flood) is 70 years--maybe 80. Psalms 90:10 (KJV) The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years... The definition of a generation? Perhaps. If so, then you add the 70 to 1948 to come up with 2018. The chilling thing is, if you believe in the 7 year tribulation period as described in Revelation (as I do), then that places the Anti-Christ coming onto the seen in .... 2011. So when I read earlier tonight, May 21, 2011--I paid attention!
But I realize my beliefs about the details of the end times are different than Camping's. I do not know where he comes up with 5 months. I don't really buy the 5*17*10 thing, but that is the first I have heard of it and so I will research it. But the main thing I disagree with is, I believe there will be a literal Anti-Christ. The book of Revelation makes it pretty clear there is going to be the rapture, then a 3.5 year period where the Antichrist bring ‘peace and safety’ to the world, then the Antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself God, then all hell breaks loose for the second 3.5 year period. Where is all of this in Camping's 2011? Some of my non-Christian family members are worried about 2012 because of all the recent hype, and I have been telling them probably nothing will happen in 2012 because: 1. The Jewish temple has not been rebuilt yet, and it has to be rebuilt in order for the Antichrist to sit in it. 2. The 7 year tribulation period has not started yet. So 3. Nothing can happen in 2012 except the START of the tribulation and the Rapture.
But then there is the ...or 80. So the end could be in 2028, with the rapture/7 yr tribulation period happening in 2021. I believe the 2 witnesses in Revelation will be real prophets from the past restored to life for the 1260 days. I believe the events in Revelation will really happen--I do not believe they are allegorical and all out of time sequence.

Jennifer said...

When I was a senior in college in 1986 I started listening to Family Radio. Just loved it--especially the Open Forum with Harold Camping--and I have to say, it really helped me grow as a Christian. I loved the old fashioned hymns, the scripture readings, the regular shows, etc. I feel over the years, many people have been blessed by this ministry--especially as the world, and very specifically the mainline churches, have been so corrupted over the past couple decades. Tonight was the first I heard that Harold Camping has come up with this date. It is interesting because I also used to watch Jack van Impe; I remember in the year 2000, I watched one of this episodes and was shocked to see him put up the year 2018 as the probable end year. I was shocked because it was the same year I had come up with a couple months earlier. Why? because Israel became a nation in 1948 (when you see the fig tree...), and Jesus said this generation shall not pass until all this has come to be. The old testament states a man's life (after the flood) is 70 years--maybe 80. Psalms 90:10 (KJV) The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years... The definition of a generation? Perhaps. If so, then you add the 70 to 1948 to come up with 2018. The chilling thing is, if you believe in the 7 year tribulation period as described in Revelation (as I do), then that places the Anti-Christ coming onto the seen in .... 2011. So when I read earlier tonight, May 21, 2011--I paid attention!
But I realize my beliefs about the details of the end times are different than Camping's. I do not know where he comes up with 5 months. I don't really buy the 5*17*10 thing, but that is the first I have heard of it and so I will research it. But the main thing I disagree with is, I believe there will be a literal Anti-Christ. The book of Revelation makes it pretty clear there is going to be the rapture, then a 3.5 year period where the Antichrist bring ‘peace and safety’ to the world, then the Antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself God, then all hell breaks loose for the second 3.5 year period. Where is all of this in Camping's 2011? Some of my non-Christian family members are worried about 2012 because of all the recent hype, and I have been telling them probably nothing will happen in 2012 because: 1. The Jewish temple has not been rebuilt yet, and it has to be rebuilt in order for the Antichrist to sit in it. 2. The 7 year tribulation period has not started yet. So 3. Nothing can happen in 2012 except the START of the tribulation and the Rapture.
But then there is the ...or 80. So the end could be in 2028, with the rapture/7 yr tribulation period happening in 2021. I believe the 2 witnesses in Revelation will be real prophets from the past restored to life for the 1260 days. I believe the events in Revelation will really happen--I do not believe they are allegorical and all out of time sequence.

Jennifer said...

When I was a senior in college in 1986 I started listening to Family Radio. Just loved it--especially the Open Forum with Harold Camping--and I have to say, it really helped me grow as a Christian. I loved the old fashioned hymns, the scripture readings, the regular shows, etc. I feel over the years, many people have been blessed by this ministry--especially as the world, and very specifically the mainline churches, have been so corrupted over the past couple decades. Tonight was the first I heard that Harold Camping has come up with this date. It is interesting because I also used to watch Jack van Impe; I remember in the year 2000, I watched one of this episodes and was shocked to see him put up the year 2018 as the probable end year. I was shocked because it was the same year I had come up with a couple months earlier. Why? because Israel became a nation in 1948 (when you see the fig tree...), and Jesus said this generation shall not pass until all this has come to be. The old testament states a man's life (after the flood) is 70 years--maybe 80. Psalms 90:10 (KJV) The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years... The definition of a generation? Perhaps. If so, then you add the 70 to 1948 to come up with 2018. The chilling thing is, if you believe in the 7 year tribulation period as described in Revelation (as I do), then that places the Anti-Christ coming onto the seen in .... 2011. So when I read earlier tonight, May 21, 2011--I paid attention!
But I realize my beliefs about the details of the end times are different than Camping's. I do not know where he comes up with 5 months. I don't really buy the 5*17*10 thing, but that is the first I have heard of it and so I will research it. But the main thing I disagree with is, I believe there will be a literal Anti-Christ. The book of Revelation makes it pretty clear there is going to be the rapture, then a 3.5 year period where the Antichrist bring ‘peace and safety’ to the world, then the Antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself God, then all hell breaks loose for the second 3.5 year period. Where is all of this in Camping's 2011? Some of my non-Christian family members are worried about 2012 because of all the recent hype, and I have been telling them probably nothing will happen in 2012 because: 1. The Jewish temple has not been rebuilt yet, and it has to be rebuilt in order for the Antichrist to sit in it. 2. The 7 year tribulation period has not started yet. So 3. Nothing can happen in 2012 except the START of the tribulation and the Rapture.

Jennifer said...

...Sorry for the duplicate posts earlier, hopefully the moderator will delete the extras.

...Regardless, true Christians should know the season. The actual day, I do not believe we can know. I don't see how you can get around the 'no man knows, only the Father in Heaven' verse. I think Harold Camping is getting lots of people to recognize that we are in the end times—which is a great thing. That the mainline churches are completely apostate, I also agree with. I agreed with him when he called true believers out of those corrupt churches, which are mostly run by idolaters and open sinners now. There are so many indications in current society that we are in the end days. Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the time of the end. The days of Noah are referred to as the antediluvian period. You should read up on those times. Very similar to the times we now live in. One small example: the mixing of genes, man with animal. In case you haven't heard, the today’s scientists have already created chimeras--part man part beast. Look it up! Technology was very advanced during the antediluvian period as well. Finally, as in Daniel, knowledge has increased and people go to and fro. Will the beginning of the end happen on May 21, 2011? I don't know yet. My initial reaction is I think the rapture could happen then, but not the end. I know I will research it more, because Camping's teachings did bless me very much in the past. Final thought is, it is always great to be a watcher. The Lord will not come as a thief in the night for those who watch and wait. Even so, come Lord Jesus!

brotherp said...

When Jesus was physically on Earth 2000 years ago, very few believed Him. The authorities of that day were threatened by Him. Now some have posted a date and the authorites are in an uproar again. Strikes me that God might do it that way...BP

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Kingdom said...

Jesus stated unambiguously that He would return during the lifetime of the people He was talking to at that time.

If you don't think He already returned during the lifetime of the people He was speaking to in about AD 30, then you don't believe what Jesus Himself said.

Jesus returned in AD 70, just like He said He would. The thousand-year reign is already OVER. It ended almost a thousand years ago.

The Kingdom has come. This is it.

Kingdom said...

Camping does not believe Jesus. What Camping is trying to sell you is in direct conflict with what Jesus Himself said:

Matthew 16:27-28

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Making Sense said...

I am definitely down to throw some money on this subject, and will bet $100 that Jesus will not return May 21, 2011. If you believe it then you have nothing to lose and can contact me at joshmullenmusic@gmail.com and we can set up the terms. :)

Guy said...

Haha only $100? Thats not that much for something you really believe in!

And if you believe no man knows the day then why, He could come that very day! YOU don't know!

Toby said...

So, apparantly, someone has "supposedly" figured out the date of Judgement? Pardon my ignorance, but, doesn't the Bible say that NO Man can know the exact day of Judgement? How then, does a moron claim to know the date of judgement, after claiming to know it so many times before? Again, if one claims to know the Bible, you must also know, the Bible was written, if not just recorded, by MAN, an IMPERFECT being, by the Bible's own admission, which was recorded by a HUMAN BEING, a FAULTED creation......ummm, so, how do you figure the date is May 21, 2011? Are you really that dumb? I don't mean unintelligent dumb, I mean NAIVE dumb. Dumb enough to accept something given to you by a man that has been wrong more than 89 times already! C'mon man! Besides, if you know ANYTHING about the Bible or the Revelation written about by John the "Revelator", you also know that he was influenced by the Romaqn empire and the time he lived in was one of superstition and conjecture. ALSO, the Rapture was not spoken of until the early to mid 1700's in reform of the church. Seek out the information and compare it to your SPECULATIVE opinions before you blindly follow a MAN.

smackaho_99 said...

lol

i'm going on a spaceship that day, fire can't exist in a vacuum so if u want to join me lmk

reallynosmackaho said...

lol

for some people to dedicate so much effort into twisting their literal interpretation of scattered symbolistic thoughts simply to give themselves some apparent meaning to their existence is a tragically sad waste of life :( but it makes me chuckle when i think of may 12th

luckily i will be on a spaceship that day and fire can't exist in a vacuum. if u want to join me and be safe lmk i have a couple extra seats.

reallynosmackaho said...

oh and since you won't need it, can everyone donate your worthless worldly monetary holdings to lbeh.org on the 10th, JUST IN CASE. if you don't then i guess you're not true believers, hypocrites

vvmorr said...

The question you have to ask is not about 2011, but rather:

1 - Do you believe in God?
2 - Do you believe in the bible?

Now, saying you believe in God or you believe in the bible as casual "surface" comments is one thing, but if your REALLY believe in God, and if you REALLY believe in the bible, then you are reading it on a daily basis -- becaue that is what believers do. And if you believe in God, then you are praying regularly, throughout the day at various times daily -- because that is what real believers do.

If you are real believer, you would not joke or make jest of any part of this topic of Christ's return. Not because you do or do not believe 5/21/11 is the return date, but, because it is a reverent spiritual topic and you would find no sincere heart to jest or be sarcastic about the topic whether you believe 5/11 is the date or not.

God is to be feared, not because he is mean, but because he is the great Creator, all powerful, and full of might. You don't casually or flippantly make sarcastic comments about this topic if you are a true believer. Period.

You could doubt Camping or shake your head in sorrow at his date setting for what it means overall, but you would not jest.

Christ will return. That is a fact. An END will occur. That is a fact. If you believe the bible in full, and if you fear God and take his word seriously, that there is an end coming, and it will culminate in his wrath on the unsaved, then I think you are either studying this material to see if it holds up, or you are studying the bible period, because an End is certain. But you surely would not jest.

I understand questioning 5/21/11 as the end date. I question that date myself. But I am afraid for those who take name calling and joking positions as their reaction to the date instead of either reading the bible to see for themselves, or just passing by the date because their conviction says it's not true...but what true Christian makes fun of this topic???

And if you are not a christian, why would you care???

Rev Fred said...

Churches never mention these verses that state the believers will know more than the unbeliervers like when christ will return, ask your minister what these verses mean! I am sure that he will not have an answer.

1 Thessalonians 5:
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.



The world is in such a mess our only hope is God's return. You who don't want him to return, ask yourself: Who is going to help the world. The world is truly beyond any human help. No jobs, no money, no future. Greed and violence and vice has already destroyed our world. Now our only salvation is the Lord's intervention.

Rev Fred said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fP-aanjUKo

Rev Fred said...

2 Peter, Chapter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Rev Fred said...

Daniel 12:
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Rev Fred said...

The true believers look forward to the Lord's coming, where sin will be forever destroyed so that the children of God can live forever in love with the Lord!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVOOjlLlVpU

Rev Fred said...

`2 Peter, Chapter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Rev Fred said...

Sin is out of control in our world.
Violence is off the scale. The economies are in the toilet.
We need God's intervention. if Christ were not coming soon, the world would be doomed. But he is coming, not for the sinners that have wrecked the world but for his children.

Daniel 12:
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Argyris PhotoArt said...

does it really matter ? ... all we need is to do as He (Jesus) ... be prepared... love our brethren ... be easy on everyone ... ease up on the me-me-me, I-I-I, my-my-my, ... forgive ... let-go of petty anger, no matter what we feel has been inflicted on us by anyone ... does it REALLY matter ? ... afterall, are we not all doing someting to someone ?? ... stop complaining ... and pray on him to take pity on all of us at His arrival ... pray for your all your brothers of the earth ...

dd said...

As long idiots exists we wont have shortage of false or true(correction smarter false) prophets...

matthew said...

Every year people say stuff like y2k,6-6-06 and 2012 and now 2011 on may 21st i know some people believe he is coming back no i know he is not coming back on that date not for some time to be honest no one will know what year he will come back 2090 2080 or 70 or 60 or 3000 or so so people just go on with your life and have God in your heart

DD said...

http://www.the-latter-rain.com/can-we-know-when.html

Rita said...

My lawn mower is being rebuilt and slated to be delivered Friday the 20th. The weekend will be spent mowing,to appease the neighbors, since my other mower does a poor job.Unfortunately I will miss the event, however I will check in with you on the following Monday. For the coffee drinkers, I believe it's "no drinks allowed" regardless
of recyclables.

Rita said...

If there is a God, or whatever you wish to call "it" that is the causality for all things; since evreything that is, or is not,is composed of the same basic "stuff" in this dimension, or some other,it
makes no difference wether you, or anything else, is here - (subjective)or where. In the scheme of everything "it" doesn't care wether you are substantive
matter or not. We are no more significant than Gas, Solid, matter or anti-matter. Everything and nothing is merely an expression of " it". In an infinite everything May 21st 2011
is a meaningless concept - there is no time, it is merely an idea
dreamed up to organize the finite expression of what appears to be
this experience called human life.
It is Ego that makes us think that we are somehow more special than Rocks or Gas. Even this writing is ego, why is what I think any more or less significance than what Mr Camping has dreamed up?
- it's not!
The punch line - if there is one
- is:
" Be happy, be good, be grateful, be useful and help others be and do the same for as long as "this experience" lasts.

Bill Cosby said...

I am not here to judge anything that has been said or any opinions of anyone, for I am sure I am not as well educated as many of you are in the Word.

One of my main concerns as to why this could not be an accurate date is that I have read (don't know the verse) that the Anti Christ will make himself known well before Jesus' return. If we have not seen an Anti Christ come and take dominion, then how can we believe that Jesus is to come back already?

brotherp said...

Bill, most have been fooled by this, the antiChrist is Satan himself looking like an angel of light in 1988. Read the Doomsday Code by Fitzpatrick, We are almost there, To God be the Glory at Familyradio.com

Jesse said...

there is no "god", "judgement", "rapture" or any of that BS. Your first clue should have been the fact that Camping dated things like "creation" which is a commonly known proven fact that it never happened. he dated it as roughly 13000 years ago when modern hominids have inhabited this world for over 70000 and many other species have been here for millions. the earth itself is roughly four and a half BILLION years old. these are proven and re-proven FACTS. educate yourselves before you go all sudo-pagan preacher on everyone. ...jeez...

Mick said...

The pamphlet asserting 88 reasons for rapture in 1988 was written and promoted by Edgar Whisnant, not Harold Camping.

preiso said...

"there is no "god", "judgement", "rapture" or any of that BS. Your first clue should have been the fact that Camping dated things like "creation" which is a commonly known proven fact that it never happened. he dated it as roughly 13000 years ago when modern hominids have inhabited this world for over 70000 and many other species have been here for millions. the earth itself is roughly four and a half BILLION years old. these are proven and re-proven FACTS. educate yourselves before you go all sudo-pagan preacher on everyone. ...jeez..."

Actually, Jesse, you should do your research, my friend. They call the things you're talking about "the Evolutionary Theory" for this reason: They can't PROVE it. Let me ask you this: If God created the world around 6,000 years ago, as most Bible scholars argue, how old would dirt, and rocks, and other things appear to be at that point? Since we base all our known scientific age analyses on the DEGRADATION of matter, then naturally the atomic structure of rocks would appear to be much older b/c they were formed at one moment in time. Your PROVEN FACTS fail this analysis.

Dr.Tarek said...

I think Muslims have many requirements and remarks that precedes the end day, it is also Through the return of Jesus, so I see it's very important that you have to see them view before any talking about that. thanks

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